html - padding or margin wrong or both -

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i tried divs in html, , isn't problem. encountered problem , don't find mistake.

the menu div supposed in center of header div , there should no margin @ top.

here example error: http://jsfiddle.net/j83eb/

here html:

<div id="header">         <div id="menu">              <ul>                 <li><a class="nav-element" href="#">news</a></li>                 <li><a class="nav-element" href="#">turnier</a></li>                 <li><a class="nav-element" href="#">ergebnisse</a></li>                 <li><a class="nav-element" href="#">impressionen</a></li>                 <li><a class="nav-element" href="#">anmeldung</a></li>                 <li><a class="nav-element" href="#">impressum</a></li>             </ul>          </div>     </div>

and css:

#header {     padding: 0;     margin:0;     background: #003399;     width: 100%;     height: 50px;     display: block;     position: fixed;     top: 0;     left: 0; } #menu {     display: block;     width: 150px;     height: 50px;     } #menu {     padding:0; margin-right:auto; margin-left:auto; line-height:50px; width: 950px; height: 50px;     } #menu ul li {     display: block;     width: 150px;     height: 50px;     float: left;     text-align: center;     text-transform: uppercase;     font-family: arial;     font-size: 16px;     font-weight: normal;     list-style: none;     margin:0;     paddin:0;     line-height:50px; } .nav-element:link {     color: #fff;     text-decoration: none; } .nav-element:visited {     color: #fff;     text-decoration: none;     background: #81b4e3; } .nav-element:hover {     text-decoration: none;     color: #fff;     text-decoration: none;     background: #1a589d; } .nav-element:active {     color: #fff;     text-decoration: none;     background: #c00; }

thanks!

below fix (remove margin/padding ul)

#menu ul {     margin:0;     padding:0; }

and fiddle


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